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Craps Lay Bet Strategy

Lay bet strategy in craps gambling is used by a don’t bettor to bet on point numbers that don’t appear frequently. For instance, betting on a 4 or a 10 is a perfect example. When you go to the layout, tell the stickman ‘Lay 4’. In case a 7 appears before the 4, you win.

Crapsphanatic

I have been wondering about whether pit bosses would allow this strategy but since I am at least six months from my next trip to Vegas I thought I would ask the experts on this forum.
The concept is: Do absolutely nothing on comeout roll until point is established. Therefore you would place no bets but just observe. If point is anything but 4 or 10 also do nothing. If point is 4 or 10 place Dont Pass Line bet with maximum odds plus lay with maximum odds the other number. So if point is 4 lay the 10 and viceversa.
I am not stating that this is a 'system' but only an enquiry as to whether the casino would allow it.
I know that many casinos dont like observers with only sporadic bets, so in that case would it then be allowed to place a Pass and Dont Pass Line bet at the same time?
Thank you in advance for your replies.

Advanced Craps Topics. Analysis and advice for experienced players who have mastered basic strategy, and are looking to add an extra edge to their game. Calculation of the player's edge for all the major bets in craps. House edge for all the major craps bets. Dice Setting Expectations for the Dice Setter.
Another addition to the best craps bets selection is the lay wager against four or ten. In this instance, the house edge equals 2.44 percent, which is a bit higher than other bets but it is still entirely manageable and can bring success.
Pick the craps strategy which will reduce the house edge to less than 1%. There are three bet types that allow you to do this best, and these are the passline, the comeand taking odds. Ideally, if you want to increase your chances of winning at online craps we suggest placing a.

Konbu

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Please let us all know if you find a place where they let you place a dont pass after the point is established.
With this betting pattern even if a dont pass is allowed after the point, the dice goddess will smile upon you and the shooter will throw your non-point 4/10 then make the point.

Doc

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.. If point is 4 or 10 place Dont Pass Line bet with maximum odds plus lay with maximum odds the other number.

Once the point is established, you are not allowed to bet the Don't Pass. You are allowed to lay either number and pay a commission on that wager. Given that there is a commission, the casino has an advantage over you, but that is an expected part of the game.
It is not meaningful to refer to 'maximum odds' on a lay bet; it is just a lay bet. Odds bets are for Pass, Don't Pass, Come, or Don't Come wagers and may be added after the number for that base wager is established.
On related matters, you are allowed to add a Pass wager after the point is established, because that is to the house's benefit -- you have missed out on your advantage on the come out roll and are at a disadvantage from then on. You are also allowed to take down a Don't Pass wager or a Don't Come wager after the number is established, since that is to the house's advantage also. In summary, they allow you to change Pass/Come/Don't wagers (after the point is established) only in cases where it would be stupid for you to do so.WatchMeWin

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I know a casino
Where the dice are ice cold
All the dealers are angry
And the servers are old
Yea, I know a casino
Where the players all lose
They hang out there all day
Just to get some free booze
Try playing the Pass
Then switch to the Don't
You can lay all you want
But they still say you won't

ahiromu

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As mentioned, your 'dont pass line bet' after an established point would need to be a lay bet. So lay both the point and the other 3/36 number when one of them is the point. Casino shouldn't get on you for sitting around, but I wouldn't be surprised if the supervisor gives you a rating of $0.
Lots of people sit around and only bet/shoot for themselves, I don't see how this is any different. Of course, all it takes is one supervisor having a bad day..

Its - Possessive; It's - 'It is' / 'It has'; There - Location; Their - Possessive; They're - 'They are'

Crapsphanatic

Thanks to all for the replies. I can certainly understand the 'problems' with this approach and I may have misspoken when dealing with Lay odds. So let's look at it this way:
1) Place a Pass and Don't Pass Bet each time on the come-out roll. This will avoid the questioning of whether you can place the Don't Pass after point is established. Yes, I know that they will cancel each other out but that's the whole idea. Yes, I also know, good luck getting the pit boss to let you get away with that for too long but you might be able to make a good argument.. before they throw you out.
2) Go Lay the 4 and 10 when one of them is the point.
3) Then go to maximum odds on the Don't Pass. Understandably it's 1:2 but if I am not mistaken Main Street Station goes to 20x Odds and Casino Royale and Eastside Cannery go to 100x Free Odds, so if you load up it 'might' work (if Lady Luck is smiling..)
Thoughts?

SanchoPanza

1) Place a Pass and Don't Pass Bet each time on the come-out roll. This will avoid the questioning of whether you can place the Don't Pass after point is established. Yes, I know that they will cancel each other out but that's the whole idea. Yes, I also know, good luck getting the pit boss to let you get away with that for too long but you might be able to make a good argument.. before they throw you out.

To figure the house advantage on doey-don't, multiply 1.41 X 2.
The Wizard has it all laid out in the defnitive detail at:
https://wizardofodds.com/games/craps/basics/#toc-DefiningtheHouseEdge
Look at the section on Multi-Roll Bets

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ahiromu

I'm all for money management strategies, but when you start exposing yourself to more HE because of it, it becomes a problem. Doey-don't is a problem. Just play the don't and only add odds if 4/10. This also allays any fear of being kicked out for not having enough action on the table.. if you're happy to go max odds then I have to imagine flat betting $5-10 won't change your outcome by much. Otherwise..
Other than some weird looks, I would be surprised if anyone gave you trouble. Casinos really don't make it a habit to stop allowing people to put money on the table. Just steer clear from being that a-hole that cheers loudly during a seven out.

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BlueEagle

1) Place a Pass and Don't Pass Bet each time on the come-out roll
2) Go Lay the 4 and 10 when one of them is the point.

1) I don't know that any casino will not allow you to bet on both Pass and Don't Pass. The house still has an advantage because you lose when a 12 is rolled. Craps Lay Strategy

2) Why not Lay 4 & 10 every time?odiousgambit

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Thoughts?

Take this to the bank: something on the order of billions of players since Bank Craps was introduced have studied every angle, pondered every nook and cranny, poured over every fact and fallacy, just absolutely bled all over the table in gargantuan efforts to beat the house. So when you come up with the bright idea of hedging the main bets, you can be sure, absolutely sure, that millions of guys have thought of that before and yet they go home just as broke as everybody else.
That's why coming to this site is an opportunity to get educated. You will have to be able to be s